Author Topic: MP573 general power check and deviating DC voltages

May 31, 2024, 08:44:17 AM
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slothproductions

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If I was you, I would try replace the suspected relay. At least thats what fixed my problem :)

May 31, 2024, 09:53:24 AM
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Gavin1393

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I did read up on the relays and how if they dont work they get rather hot...so hopefully that is all that was wrong. Have ordered 3 in case...

Thanks mate! I'm hoping this will fix the issue. Otherwise @JPK help will be appreciated!

May 31, 2024, 11:30:39 AM
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JPK

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Can you do the measurements shown here : DC voltages, and output transformer check?
We will add a new relay to your new order.
JPK

June 04, 2024, 11:34:34 AM
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Gavin1393

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Check the usual suspects:
  • Check you didn't forget the jumper on CN1,
  • Check you didn't leave the polarity switch on the center position (=mute),
  • Forgotten solder joint,
  • Bad solder joint (reflow suspicious joints),
  • Reversed components (electrolytics, diodes, transistors, IC's). In case of IC's, probably destroyed, better replace,
  • Flipped IC's or transistors,
  • Trim all the component leads and test pins as short as possible. Nothing must touch the chassis plate.
ALL CHECKED[/list]
Check the DC voltages:
First check the supply voltages as described in the setup guide.
short circuit check  v- an OV  6.5M ohm
V+ and OV         6.9M ohm

Removed DI and unplugged CN2

Connect the (-) lead to TP2 and the (+) lead to V+. 24.39v
Connect Output transformer 24.37v

Measuring Q6... Started at about 3v and plummeted to o.6v before i turned off the device. Same issue as before.

Next, without any input signal, connect the voltmeter black probe to TP2 and note the DC voltages you get at the points shown on the attached picture. Compare with the expected results (more or less 10%).

A  2v6
b  4v1
c  22.5
d  13.5
e  2.01
f  12.85
g  0.1  !!
h  24v !!
I  4.1  !!
j  23.5  !!
K  24.34   !!
L  0.1  !!


@JPK - All goes pear shaped from G....


June 04, 2024, 11:44:26 AM
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Gavin1393

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OUTPUT TRANSFORMER RESISTANCE MEASUREMENTS:
Yellow - Orange: 7.8 ohms
Red - Brown: 6.8 ohms
Blue - Green: 20.8 ohms
Violet - Black: 20.8 ohms

INPUT TRANSFORMER RESISTANCE MEASUREMENTS:
2-4: 24.8 ohms
3-5: 24.7 ohms
7-9: 133 ohms 
8-10: 133 ohms

June 07, 2024, 05:32:53 PM
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The transformers are OK.
There is something wrong around Q4, Q5, Q6.
Check all the solder joints around there.
JPK

June 15, 2024, 11:52:41 AM
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Gavin1393

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In lesser company I might have argued that there was nothing wrong with my soldering, since I'd used Flux on every joint, perfected my technique...but there it was Q6 and its three pins, two attached to the board and one, like the Wright brothers, had lifted off the board. OR, I just soldered it to mid-air...

Soldered it correctly and sheepishly considered all the other joints in the area, and they are looked good.

Pulled out the DMM... and got near perfect results for the voltage test. Adjusted the P2 and got 3.000v after a good few turns with the blue tool JPK sent me.
Plugged in the Mic's and SOUND!Glorious SOUND!
Did all the other checks and all seems delightfully positive!

Thanks JPK

Appreciate the guidance - as always, you were spot on with where to look! I think it took me all of 30 seconds to see the problem once I knew where to look!
« Last Edit: June 15, 2024, 11:54:25 AM by Gavin1393 »

June 17, 2024, 11:53:59 AM
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